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Re: Shocked, shocked I say
said by P Ness  :so i assume google is now illegal..and yahoo....and msft? cause they all have links to the same thing piratebay did. so what does PB really do different again? Repeat after me, "The Pirate Bay hosts the torrents on their server and makes fun of copyright holders when asked to remove said torrents." Google does not host the torrent files and responds in the appropriate manner to DMCA take down requests. |
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| said by Matt :"The Pirate Bay hosts the torrents on their server and makes fun of copyright holders when asked to remove said torrents." And the torrents contain no property of the complainants, therefore the appropriate thing to do is tell them to go f**k themselves. Oh but according to you it's illegal to make fun of someone who tells you to do something that they have no right to tell you to do.
DMCA takedown requests are to be used to remove your own intellectual property from someone elses server, since tpb hosted none of their property it means DMCA requests have no bearing. Oh wait, there's also the matter of them not being in the USA, and thus not being obligated to respond to DMCA requests etc... You are aware that there are other countries right? and that US law doesn't apply in them any more than their laws apply to you.
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3 edits | Simple contributory infringement. No need for the DMCA.
Look up Berne Convention and TRIPs (may or may not apply where the TPB guys are).
Really, before taking on such a condescending tone, learn the facts. |
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said by james :said by Matt :"The Pirate Bay hosts the torrents on their server and makes fun of copyright holders when asked to remove said torrents." And the torrents contain no property of the complainants, therefore the appropriate thing to do is tell them to go f**k themselves. Oh but according to you it's illegal to make fun of someone who tells you to do something that they have no right to tell you to do. DMCA takedown requests are to be used to remove your own intellectual property from someone elses server, since tpb hosted none of their property it means DMCA requests have no bearing. Oh wait, there's also the matter of them not being in the USA, and thus not being obligated to respond to DMCA requests etc... You are aware that there are other countries right? and that US law doesn't apply in them any more than their laws apply to you. Apparently the Swedish Courts don't agree with you. See what Goober said, there is no need for me to reiterate it. |
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said by Goober :Really, before taking on such a condescending tone, learn the facts. Yes, because an agreement written in 1886 would be so relevant to a torrenting website. Like I said, if they were hosting the actual files you would have a point, but as it stands the only reason they lost their case was because of the douchebag RIAA shill judge who should be removed from his position, along with the judge who was going to investigate him before she was exposed for being in the same organization.
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said by Metatron2008 :But people who download thousands of movies and games.... Yes, they are as bad as any murderer |
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2 edits | Okay, slowly now . . . contributory infringement.
»www.quizlaw.com/copyrights/what_···em_1.php |
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antarctica | too fast, going to have to slow it down abit more chief. I dont think you threw enough spaces in there. |
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said by james :said by Goober :Really, before taking on such a condescending tone, learn the facts. Yes, because an agreement written in 1886 would be so relevant to a torrenting website. Like I said, if they were hosting the actual files you would have a point, but as it stands the only reason they lost their case was because of the douchebag RIAA shill judge who should be removed from his position, along with the judge who was going to investigate him before she was exposed for being in the same organization. The judge was not a member of the RIAA, but rather a Swedish pro-copyright organization. Of course, this was investigated and the Swedish government didn't feel there was any reason to allow a retrial. This is a very well known, basic fact of the trial.
A torrent is a hash of the copyrighted content. Remove the torrent, you disable the ability to share that instance of said content. This is not a difficult concept but perhaps this will help. If you stand on the street corner and sell a listing of which houses in the neighborhood don't lock their doors and those houses are subsequently broken into, (if law enforcement can prove that your list led to the burglary) you will be charged as an accessory. In the TPB case, they are complicit in facilitating copyright infringement. |
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| said by Matt :Of course, this was investigated and the Swedish government didn't feel there was any reason to allow a retrial. This is a very well known, basic fact of the trial. Oh yes, the Swedish government, maybe they'd like to send their police forces to confiscate some more servers and keep them for years on end with no charges. Heck, maybe they'd like to have some more people retire and get cushy jobs representing the recording industry. Oh but I do trust them when they say there was no reason for a retrial.
Also, your crap about selling information about people's locked doors is quite silly. As long as I wasn't breaking into people's houses to find out the information I would have the argument that it was information that was observable to anyone, that anyone who requested the information already had whatever intentions they had.
People aren't pirating because of the pirate bay, the pirate bay exists (existed) because people pirate. Yarr.
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said by Metatron2008 :But people who download thousands of movies and games.... Yes, they are as bad as any murderer |
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Jamestown, NC |  What a straw-man. Kudos! |
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| Thanks, I was going to pull some ad-hominem out too but I couldn't do something like that to someone who is quitting caffeine. Good luck.
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[BQUOTE=[user=Metatron2008]]But people who download thousands of movies and games.... Yes, they are as bad as any murderer[/BQUOTE] |
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said by Matt :Repeat after me, "The Pirate Bay hosts the torrents on their server and makes fun of copyright holders when asked to remove said torrents." Google does not host the torrent files and responds in the appropriate manner to DMCA take down requests. Repeat after me, "The Pirate bay does NOT host the torrents on their servers and they did make fun of ILLEGAL THREATS by foreign blowhards. Meanwhile companies like Google et al MUST comply with laws that DO apply to them like the DMCA because they OPERATE WITHIN THE USA."
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Under your logic the guys that stand on hollywood blvd and sells maps to the stars homes could be guilty for accessory to the crime for stalking. Ever seen one of the prosecuted for such?
The reason you haven't is to prove accessory you have to prove that the person in question new what was occurring and assisted in such. TPB has no knowledge of anything in the torrents, titles can mean anything and the there is nothing but a hash in the torrent.
This of course neglects that copyright infringement is rarely prosecuted as the criminal variant and every case run in the US has been a civil case. But who cares about facts when you have your righteous indignation and smug condemnations. |
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said by KrK :said by Matt :Repeat after me, "The Pirate Bay hosts the torrents on their server and makes fun of copyright holders when asked to remove said torrents." Google does not host the torrent files and responds in the appropriate manner to DMCA take down requests. Repeat after me, "The Pirate bay does NOT host the torrents on their servers and they did make fun of ILLEGAL THREATS by foreign blowhards. Meanwhile companies like Google et al MUST comply with laws that DO apply to them like the DMCA because they OPERATE WITHIN THE USA." They don't host the torrents? Since when? Here is an example of legal content that I just looked up: »torrents.thepiratebay.org/497629···.torrent |
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Repeat after me, "Berne Convention, TRIPS."
Very simply, the basic copyright rules have been adopted by all the signatories. The DMCA is not within the Berne Convention or TRIP agreement. But, other much more basic rules are. Contributory infringement is based on the base copyrigh laws. Hence, most countries have the ability to enforce that aspect of copyright infringement. |
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They host torrent trackers. |
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Naperville, IL | It's still a pointer to illegal materials. That is, contributing or enabling the infringement of copyrighted materials. |
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| said by Goober :It's still a pointer to illegal materials. That is, contributing or enabling the infringement of copyrighted materials. Contributing or enabling are relatively "new" expansions of copyright law and I really don't agree with them.
It brings up the analogy of Radar Detectors and Jammers. They primarily exist for illegal usages, and actually using them is illegal in many places, but selling them isn't... yet one could argue selling them, even manufacturing them, is a "Contributing" or "Enabling".
I'm not a big fan of new expansions of law that criminalize common behavior.
Course, what I think matters not, what matters is the actual laws that TPB is being charged under. Unfortunately many of these laws are written for the specific benefit of certain companies/industry, and not for the public good.
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