Goober
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Re: Is it illegal to watch tv via torrents?
Wrong. You change the delivery method and so make a copy that is likely not authorized by the copyright holder. |
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r81984
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1 edit | Nope. The file was recorded from TV and then retrieved from the internet for later viewing as I would retrieve a DVDR from my bookcase.
I am not talking about downloading a commercial DVD rip.
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Goober
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Naperville, IL | LOL!!! Seriously?
Okay, you win! No more from me. |
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r81984
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| Having IP lawyers like you is wrong. You guys have no concept of how the internet works and hurt a lot of innocent people. The internet is no more of a delivery medium then transporting a TV recording in my car. For TV recordings the delivery medium is always satellite, cable, or OTA.
You are out of your mind to say it is illegal to download a TV recording of a show you already paid for.
Downloading a TV recording off the internet is no different than recording it with a DVR, DVD recorder, or VCR if you pay for cable or it was OTA.
Even cable operaters have DVRs with no hard drives that save one recording on a server somewhere to be shared by multiple people.
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LittlePiggie
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1 edit | reply to r81984
Let's say everyone is right!
You can download some shows while you can't with others.
»www.wisegeek.com/is-it-legal-to-···hows.htm |
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K Patterson
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Columbus, OH | reply to r81984
Sorry, you are simply wrong on all counts.
Goober is an attorney, he does know the law, you don't have a clue. |
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r81984
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1 edit | said by K Patterson  :Goober is an attorney, he does know the law, you don't have a clue. Isn't scary that a lawyer thinks that way?
This is why they call them liars.
If you can prove you paid for it you are not doing anything wrong.
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Harddrive
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| reply to NETSH
its quite simple.
if you buy a DVD/CD, you have fair use rights to manipulate that particular DVD/CD how you see fit for your personal use.
if you download anything that you specifically didn't buy, no matter if you have that movie or music already, you are in violation of copyright laws.
for example. you bought the DVD for Pulp Fiction on the way to the airport for your flight. you get to your destination safely but you left your DVD of Pulp Fiction in the car back home. you fire up your laptop and via some high speed internet connection, you download/capture/etc a copy of the movie titled Pulp Fiction and watch it. you are now in violation of the law because you did not purchase that copy of the movie Pulp Fiction that you now have in your possession digitally. it doesn't matter that you have purchased a movie titled Pulp Fiction on some type of media somewhere in the world. you don't have a digital copy of the one that you specifically bought but a pirated copy instead. you are now classified as a pirate and are on the wrong side of the law.
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caddyroger
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Sorry I have go with Goober then what you are saying. You can time shift a program just as long as you recorded it off your cable company. If you record it off the internet it is stealing even if you paid it by your cable company. Law and Order is on my cable package. It not available to down load off the internet for free you have to pay for. If you using a torrent site you are stealing.
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r81984
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1 edit | said by caddyroger :Sorry I have go with Goober then what you are saying. You can time shift a program just as long as you recorded it off your cable company. If you record it off the internet it is stealing even if you paid it by your cable company. Law and Order is on my cable package. It not available to down load off the internet for free you have to pay for. If you using a torrent site you are stealing. Then if you use a DVD recorder, DVR, or VCR to record the tv program you paid for then you are also stealing.
It is called "recording" it makes no sense to call it time shifting.
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caddyroger
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clubs: | As long as it comes from the cable company and is not flagged. you can put on dvd or VCR. If you do it off the internet then it stealing unless you pay for it.
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Harddrive
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VCR recordings aren't an exact digital copy. the entertainment industry throws a cold shoulder to this. its the digital copying of a movie/program that you specifically didn't pay for they have issue with.
by the way, when you say 'tv programs you paid for', what shows on TV are you referring to?
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r81984
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1 edit | Cable bill = paid for
What about DVD Recorders? |
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Harddrive
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| lol
'cable bill = paid for' = access to watch the television channels that the cable company has for you to watch. it doesn't give you the right to record any and all programs you want.
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r81984
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1 edit | I am only talking about TV shows recorded off TV.
So then DVRs, VCRs, and DVD recorders are illegal? |
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jeremyv
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I think anything on Torrent thats not free to distribute is illegal but the thing is, its very hard to police it.
Now if you have a original copy of a movie or a cd album then by all means you can make a back up and use that back up so your irginal will retain its pristine condition. |
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Harddrive
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Norwich, CT | reply to r81984
nope. they are not illegal but you can use them for illegal activities. |
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DrModem
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said by n1zuk :As P2P (torrents) also, by their design, will upload parts of the file you are downloading, you are breaking the law. Simple solution: disable seeding. |
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K Patterson
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| Indeed. Of course, if everyone does that there won't be any downloading.
The reality is that there is no technology short of deep packet inspection that can impact downloading, which is why sites like Pirate Bay are so high on the lists of the **IA's. |
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Hayward
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said by r81984 :It is not illegal if you already paid for it. I have cable, if I miss a show I download it. Torrents=free DVR That is a quasi BS thing....
Stuuf you bough and subscribe to OK.... but how about the stuff you havent is that fair game too?
And just to watch or save?
Why many sat and cable PPV is DVR record limited.... watch it only for 24 hours (just in case you haven't already stolen it and can't wait a few more months until its unrestricted everywhere more or less)
NO ONE on standard or extended cable/sat channels will be busted.
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