Verizon Takes Aim At iPhone - Hints at October 30 for Android 'Droid' launch

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Verizon is just mad that they said "no" to Apple in the first place.

If they really want to have something that competes with the iPhone, they had better make their Android phones a lot less clunky than the G1 and G2.

Or here's another idea: make the monthly price for the data service cheaper than what AT&T charges for the iPhone (or wait...this is greedy Verizon we are talking about that likes to nickel and dime their customers!).

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If they really want to have something that competes with the iPhone, they had better make their Android phones a lot less clunky than the G1 and G2.

And this is supposed to be just that. Faster, slimmer, bigger screen(3.7 in.), better camera, newer Android OS version, etc than any Android phone yet released.

Pics here, looks good:
»www.boygeniusreport.com/gallery/···a-droid/
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Pics here, looks good:
»www.boygeniusreport.com/gallery/···a-droid/

I'm not so sure. Based on those pics it looks kinda cheap and "plastic-ey". Of course the OS will be the real star of the show, so I'm interested to see how VZ + Moto will set themselves apart from everyone else's Android offering.

For now, I'm content with my Pre. Even with all its imperfections it's still a heck of a phone, and between community mods and official updates, my complaints are starting to get whittled down. Still, I'm always keeping an eye on the Android scene for something truly game changing to emerge.

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If they really want to have something that competes with the iPhone, they had better make their Android phones a lot less clunky than the G1 and G2.

I want to see some reviews of the product before I make up my mind. There are some fanboys out there saying this phone is equal to the second coming of Christ. Hell, even I waited on the fence for the Iphone 3g to come out before I bought it. If this new phone is in fact that awesome, word will spread quickly. Otherwise, it will just die on the vine like so many other products that have been touted as the next "iphone killer".
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If they really want to have something that competes with the iPhone, they had better make their Android phones a lot less clunky than the G1 and G2.

IMO, there's no way this phone can beat out iPhone. It can be "the killer" phone, but the iPhone has something that the droid doesn't - it has the Apple name behind it.

Like the Pre (which is a great phone, btw), the Droid will just be another "smartphone".
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IMO, there's no way this phone can beat out iPhone. It can be "the killer" phone, but the iPhone has something that the droid doesn't - it has the Apple name behind it.

Like the Pre (which is a great phone, btw), the Droid will just be another "smartphone".

Well then I want to see some reviews on the smartphone. I am not married to the Iphone at all due to the apple name. I enjoy the phone because it just works for me.

Will this phone be the next big thing? I have no idea. I am at least willing to read the reviews though. One thing I will not do is start touting the Droid to be the Iphone killer like many fanboys are doing right now.
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IMO, there's no way this phone can beat out iPhone. It can be "the killer" phone, but the iPhone has something that the droid doesn't - it has the Apple name behind it.
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That's the reason many people, including myself, wont buy one!!!!! Apple stands for "Over Priced". I avoid anything Apple.
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but the iPhone has something that the droid doesn't - it has the Apple name behind it.

To me, the Apple brand has continued to mean "cool but expensive and incompatible." Buying a phone because it's Apple-branded is like buying a backpack for the Nike "swoosh." Rather foolish, unless you're really into "swooshes."
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There are a lot of people that are interested in "swooshes", plus more and more people are tying themselves into Apple's ecosystem which only entices consumers to buy more Apple products. Apple has done an awesome job branding and marketing their gear. Full disclosure, I do not own an iPhone or iPod, but I do own three Macs and couldn't be happier with them.

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but the iPhone has something that the droid doesn't - it has the Apple name behind it.

New rumor out. Verizon and Apple working on an 4G LTE iPhone to come out next year.
»www.9to5mac.com/apple_verizon_4g
»fonefrenzy.com/2009/10/18/bigger···s-droid/
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New rumor out. Verizon and Apple working on an 4G LTE iPhone to come out next year.
»www.9to5mac.com/apple_verizon_4g
»fonefrenzy.com/2009/10/18/bigger···s-droid/

Not new. That rumor's a couple months old. People were previously speculating for why VZW was looking to push LTE deployment and noticed that several of the deployment targets corresponded with AT&T/Apple contract renewal and locations of heavy iPhone usage.
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m698322h @zoominternet.net	Hmmm it seems to me Android has a name behind it to! GOOGLE may be the name.
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IMO, there's no way this phone can beat out iPhone. It can be "the killer" phone, but the iPhone has something that the droid doesn't - it has the Apple name behind it.

Except that, at least in the U.S., the iPhone also has the "AT&T" name on it (and their associated garbage data networks). Seriously, it's the utter craptacularness of AT&T that keeps me from hopping on the iPhone train (well, other things, too, but that's the primary one).
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IMO, there's no way this phone can beat out iPhone. It can be "the killer" phone, but the iPhone has something that the droid doesn't - it has the Apple name behind it.

Which brings up another good point. Apple can open up the iPhone to T-Mobile and that would increase the number of iPhone numbers fairly quickly.
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IMO, there's no way this phone can beat out iPhone. It can be "the killer" phone, but the iPhone has something that the droid doesn't - it has the Apple name behind it.

Which brings up another good point. Apple can open up the iPhone to T-Mobile and that would increase the number of iPhone numbers fairly quickly.

In my experience, T-Mobile is even worse than AT&T and their network is even smaller.
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bender Bite my shiny metal ass Premium join:2005-03-19 Evanston, IL clubs:	Re: The drop dead Apple "Verizon Droid" your wrong and your correct. t-mobile crushes AT&T for customer service. but you are right that their network is smaller.
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In my experience, T-Mobile is even worse than AT&T and their network is even smaller.

HAHA OH MAN you do not know how hard I just laughed when I read that.

AT&T tech support sucks, their network sucks, you know...come to think of it they must do a lot of sucking at their HQ.
I called them to inquire on getting provisioned for VPN on my phone and the "A+ certified" CSR told me I needed an SMS package because VPN goes over SMS. I will never forget it because she labeled herself as A+ certified.

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I called them to inquire on getting provisioned for VPN on my phone and the "A+ certified" CSR told me I needed an SMS package because VPN goes over SMS. I will never forget it because she labeled herself as A+ certified.

Wow, must be that VPNoSMS protocol that's been rumored to be under development for the past five years. Tunneling packets via SMS... ingenious concept! Better get AT&T's bargain $20 unlimited texting package or else you'll rack up thousands of dollars in overage fees in no time!

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For those wondering, this was a Windows Mobile device.

My hypothesis:
I was trying to get provisioned for isp.cingular which gives you a dedicated IP instead of NATing which, supposedly, prevents GRE VPN packets. I believe iPhone users are automatically provisioned for isp.cingular, as some of my iPhone touting co-workers tell me they can VPN into the company network....but I have no proof that they are on isp.cingular. I think the problem could also deal with the fact that with wap.cingular you are regularly getting a new IP, whereas with isp.cingular you should get a fixed IP.

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Except that, at least in the U.S., the iPhone also has the "AT&T" name on it (and their associated garbage data networks).

That was really what was holding me back for a long time. But I lucked out - so far I have better reception and call quality at home than I did with TMO, and in NYC the phone has been great. Speedtests show around 1200/300, which is enough for my email checking and light browsing. I'm betting that T is pumping a shitload of money into NYC though, and if I travel with this thing I'll get to experience crappy service.
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I really do not like to say this as the only reason I went back to AT&T was the simple fact that they are the only provider with decent service at my house, but they aren't bad.
Aside from a few minor billing issues over the past couple months service has been good. Aside from that when we decided to sign back up with AT&T I figured that as I was going to sign a deal with the devil I would go ahead and get the iPhone, and it works greats more or less everywhere, including the middle of nowhere. Speeds tend to be around 900K a second.
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Rob In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA Premium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL ·Comcast	said by TKJunkMail : Pics here, looks good: »www.boygeniusreport.com/gallery/···a-droid/ The keyboard reminds me of an old HP calculator. The whole shell of the phone gives me a plastic "cheap" look. The screen isn't bright and vibrant like the iPhone. The back is fugly. -- CheckSite.us \| YourIP.us \| Reverseip.us
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Pics here, looks good:
»www.boygeniusreport.com/gallery/···a-droid/

The keyboard reminds me of an old HP calculator. The whole shell of the phone gives me a plastic "cheap" look.

The screen isn't bright and vibrant like the iPhone.

The back is fugly.

Supposedly the keyboard isn't finalized. I hope it's not. I like the G1 keyboard much better than that.
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Supposedly the keyboard isn't finalized. I hope it's not. I like the G1 keyboard much better than that.

The keyboard is the first thing I look at. It's why I use HTC products and will never land in the BB or Apple worlds.
I'm not sure why it's so tough to get the keyboards right on these things.

Heck, Apple couldn't even figure out where to begin building a keyboard for employed people, but that's Apple.

The Droid buttons seem to be a good size. But no one knows what the tactile feel will be like till they hold one in their hands.

Not having played with this OS, I'm not sure what keys should be included for cut-and-paste. But, like everyone else, Motorola seems to think that the ALT CTL HOME END DEL and INS keys are some kind of individual features. Pick 2 for this phone and 3 for that one.

Heck, it was ages before news of cut-and-paste leaked to Apple from the real world, but that's Apple.

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If they really want to have something that competes with the iPhone, they had better make their Android phones a lot less clunky than the G1 and G2.

It does look good. I hope it has a more vibrant screen and Verizon/Motorola can do something about the clunky Android OS. I am pretty tired of my iPhone and the AT&T network, I'm just waiting for a thin slider like the Droid to be released. Once a compelling phone comes out, we're paying our ETFs and leaving AT&T.
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If they really want to have something that competes with the iPhone, they had better make their Android phones a lot less clunky than the G1 and G2.

It seems you haven't seen the screenshots of Android 2.0's gui... Social networking built in, etc..

As a matter of fact, almost every new phone to be released since the MyTouch3g will NOT be using a stock Android interface. The Hero interface is very nice imo. In fact, my girlfriend who definitely prefers her iphone to my stock G1, preferred the Hero ROM that I was using to her iPhone (yay widgets!).

»www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/···through/
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Early reports said that Droid would run Android 1.6, not 2.0, but it looks like that's been updated: »www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/···ands-on/ 2.0 (and especially the note about Exchange support) would definitely seal the deal if the Droid is released with 2.0.
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Rob In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA Premium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL ·Comcast	said by tiger72 : »www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/···through/ While it's a nice GUI, it looks like a cheap knock off of the iPhone. -- CheckSite.us \| YourIP.us \| Reverseip.us
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Eat Me join:2002-09-25 Sussex, NJ ·PenTeleData ·Future Nine Corpor.. ·VOIPo ·Vonage	Re: Greedy Verizon said by crazyk4952 : Or here's another idea: make the monthly price for the data service cheaper than what AT&T charges for the iPhone (or wait...this is greedy Verizon we are talking about that likes to nickel and dime their customers!). What are you talking about? PDA data plans are $30 from Verizon and iPhone plans are $30 from AT&T. They are exactly the same.
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crazyk4952 Premium join:2002-02-04 united state clubs:	Re: Greedy Verizon Yes I know that. My point was that if Verizon wants to compete with the iPhone, they should lower the cost of the data plan for their android phones. This would make more people consider switching to the Android.
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Yes I know that. My point was that if Verizon wants to compete with the iPhone, they should lower the cost of the data plan for their android phones. This would make more people consider switching to the Android.

There are things to compete on other than price. People don't choose the iPhone or any Apple product based on price, therefore it would be foolish to compete against the iPhone on price.

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Dunno: I'm stuck paying $60/mo for voice service plus $30 for data service. If I could get a $70/mo data-only plan and a phone that could do pure VOIP, I'd go that route.
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Dunno: I'm stuck paying $60/mo for voice service plus $30 for data service. If I could get a $70/mo data-only plan and a phone that could do pure VOIP, I'd go that route.

I have tried VOIP (SIP) on EVDO and it was so-so.

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I have tried VOIP (SIP) on EVDO and it was so-so.

One would hope that you'd at least be able to use other devices as TAs so that, when you're in places like my office building, and have "no bars", you could use your laptop to place/receive calls.

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Or here's another idea: make the monthly price for the data service cheaper than what AT&T charges for the iPhone (or wait...this is greedy Verizon we are talking about that likes to nickel and dime their customers!).

That is why I'm on Sprint and not Verizon or AT&T. The monthly cost matters more to me over time than having an iPhone. The Palm Pre or an Android phone are great alternatives IMO.
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That is why I'm on Sprint and not Verizon or AT&T. The monthly cost matters more to me over time than having an iPhone. The Palm Pre or an Android phone are great alternatives IMO.

If the Droid came out on Sprint, I'd be veeeeery happy.
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If the Droid came out on Sprint, I'd be veeeeery happy.

You mean besides the HTC Hero that came out Oct 11th? Or besides the Samsung Moment that comes out Nov 1st?

Neither of those is packing the power that the Droid supposedly does. In fact, no other Android phone really comes even close.
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Everyone is trying to come out with the phone to beat the iPhone. But it hasn't happened yet. This past weekend, I was showing a couple of non tech people my iPhone. They were amazed at the ease of use over their blackberries. That's where the iPhone really shines. The software literally makes it easy to use every feature on the iPhone. Yeah, somethings like true multitasking can't be done, but the average person doesn't know or care about that and that's why AT&T and Apple have solidified the smartphone market with the iPhone. It will be very hard to beat the iPhone.

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Mattie_B join:2008-05-16	It's a Motorola! Need I say more? I'd be slightly excited if the Droid wasn't made from a company that makes cheap garbage.
	permalink · 2009-10-19 09:17:12 ·

glinc join:2009-04-07 New York, NY	Re: It's a Motorola! Agreed. Motorola phones have gone downhill after their big hit with the Razr.
	permalink · 2009-10-19 10:01:24 ·

NeoandGeo join:2003-05-10 Harrison, TN	Re: It's a Motorola! The Razr was one of the worst phones I ever used. The hit was in how cool it looked at the time.
	permalink · 2009-10-19 10:27:53 ·

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said by Mattie_B

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Need I say more? I'd be slightly excited if the Droid wasn't made from a company that makes cheap garbage.

The Droid is their major attempt to change that image. While I've had far too many Motorola devices die on me for 1 reason or another (a couple razrs, a v330, etc.), the Sholes/Droid might be the first Moto device I'll give a look at in 4 years. They're certainly trying to turn that sinking ship around.
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permalink · 2009-10-19 10:43:34 · Print ·

bender Bite my shiny metal ass Premium join:2005-03-19 Evanston, IL clubs: ·T-Mobile US ·Vonage ·AT&T U-Verse ·AT&T Midwest ·Mediacom	i've had a chance to play around with the one of the early designs of the cliq a little bit. i have a friend that is a software and electrical engineer for motorola. if it is anything like the one i played with it will blow your freaking mind. it made my G1 look like a kids toy.
	permalink · 2009-10-21 16:46:03 ·

optemino join:2009-10-13 Patterson, CA	HAHAHA if Verizon is keeping to its standards, then i wouldn't be surprised if it ends up looking like a piece of crud... just like all of the other smart phones it offers
	permalink · 2009-10-19 11:09:35 ·

glinc join:2009-04-07 New York, NY	Re: HAHAHA Have you even done a research or used their smartphones? because it clearly shows you have no clue about it.
	permalink · 2009-10-19 11:51:06 ·

majortom1029 join:2006-10-19 Lindenhurst, NY	hmm Wel lconsidering i know atleast one spot on the verizon map that is a compelte lie i wouldnt go too much on these ads.
	permalink · 2009-10-19 12:22:56 ·

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